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Ivan Illich in conversation with Majid Rahnema

That was exactly 40 years ago, 12 years before you were made Minister of Education, 17 years before each of us overcame his timidity and we met in Tehran, where we sucked majix an ablambu, a huge pomegranate, at our first meeting. The Idea of Progress – Teodor Shanin 7. Development as Planned poverty – Ivan Illich But it is not by increasing the power of the machine to create goods and hardware products that this scandal will end, because the machine put into operation this effect is the same one that consistently produces misery.

You soon to depart to celebrate the 75th rahhema of Dadaji; I to teach one more class on the history of iconoclasm at the university. Hence, the following set of questions: Majid, it is only after those books to which you just referred — that is since the s — that my main objection to development focuses on its rituals.

I know this is so because I remember it as controversial and polemical in character.

He works on problems of poverty and production processes of poverty by the market economy. Now you ask something which just fits the sense with which we concluded our first session. In this book, the author summarized his approach:. I objected to compulsory schooling as an inappropriate means to pursue universal education — which I then approved Deschooling Society. I know that, for you, friendship is perceived as a way of reconciling the two, but is it possible to extend the grace of friendship to everyone?


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Just last night, with my students who are also your readers, we celebrated your 70th birthday. Long ambassador, he represented Iran at the UN for twelve successive sessions of to And if so, could these be achieved in majiv meaningful and dignified manner? Majid Rahnema and Victoria Bawtree.

Now, Back to your questions. Later, I increasingly questioned the pursuit of an abstract and ever more remote ideal called health. But it does not apply to friends. Most importantly, in terms of the future, they present some of the experiences and ideals out of which ordinary people are now trying rahnsma construct their own more humane and culturally and ecologically respectful alternatives to development, which, in turn, may provide useful signposts for those concerned with the post-development era that is now at hand.

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I worry about minds, hearts and social rituals being infected by development, not only because it obliterates the unique beauty and goodness of the now, but also because it awakens the “we”. It is the opposite of a statistical “we”, the sense of being jointly enumerated and represented in a graphic column. Assure your friend that neither naval gazing nor flight from the city is appropriate; rather only a risky presence to the Other, together with openness to an absent loved third, no matter how fleeting.

Now, coming back to your advice to David, how do you think one could be a candle in the dark and still develop, at a social level, the type of compassion and love of the world which permeates all your thinking? A friend of Ivan Illichhe participated in his reflections on development.

Tell your friend the story of Saadi’s Golestan, the story you related at the celebration last night: He was Commissioner of the United Nations in Rwanda and Burundi infor elections and the referendum that led these countries to independence.


Like your other writings, those papers continued to display the laser quality of your mind which allowed you to pierce through rannema of the opacities of your times. As you know better than I, most languages have several differently sounding words for the first person plural, for the we, the us. Paradoxical Growth – Serge Latouche Birth of the Inclusion Society – Judith A.

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My eyes moved from the process toward its orientation, from the investment toward the vector’s direction, toward the assumed purpose.

It is this research that brings me now to show how a radical transformation of our lifestyle, including a reinvention of the chosen poverty, has now become the sine qua non of any serious struggle against new forms of production misery. Retrieved from ” https: But now their prophetic dimensions have prompted me to bring at least one of them to the attention of the younger generation as an important rahnea to the history of the present.

During a decade or more, my criticism focused on the procedures used in the attempt to reach goals that I did not then question. Here we are, seated on my futon with a steaming samovar in front of us, relaxing in my mansard in the Bremen house of Barbara Duden: Thus I majiv very rahnsma reject your request.